The starts keep getting later; the last two times due to people ordering takeaway and me not doing anything about it. So we'll leave at 8:15 from now on with, option 1) stragglers get my cellphone or a friend waits in the lobby to let them in. option 2) stragglers go home. I like option 1. ps. as pointed out at mmm, issue #04 of Salient has an article about hambeasts and buttertrolls. I don't know who's writing it but it's clear that somethingawful.com is leaking. .Matthew Cruickshank http://holloway.co.nz/